Tammy: So, you haven’t told your parents what happened? You just told them I’m pleading guilty for a reason?
Chris: Yeah, I’ve told them on the phone because they’re still, I don’t know.
Tammy: You should fight it.
Chris: They’ve got letters from Australia, from England, like the 35C in Colorado, like improper counsel or something like that.
Tammy: Ineffective counsel.
Chris: Ineffective counsel. I mean, some of the stuff they’re saying about the Thrive patch, that it’s not FDA approved and how it can altered somebody’s mind – it was some kind of condition, but there was someone else, they called CPSD complex, post-traumatic stress disorder or something like that and then like some people from England have had it, it’s like they’ve been in an emotionally abusive relationship or something like that. Some of the stuff they put in there, like, yeah, I can relate to it, but it doesn’t make up for the fact of what happened. They’ve got a lot of support. They got a lot of hate mail, a lot of phone calls, stuff like that, I wish it never happened. They get some support, which is good, but on the phone, they still think, you know, there’s a chance that I could get out.
Tammy: Yeah, I mean, you don’t want to ever think your kid’s going away forever. You don’t want to fathom that.
Chris: They tell me to fight it, not every day, but on their bad days. They’ll get a bad message or bad letter and they’ll kind of revert back.
Tammy: Is it more your mom or your dad?
Chris: My mom. She loses it a lot on the phone. My dad is usually trying to, you know, like, “Hey, don’t talk about this stuff on the phone,” because it’s going to rile you up and it’s going to make him go back to his cell and he’s going to think about that all night. And that’s what happens a lot.
Grahm/Dave: Did you ever want them to know what you’re telling us today?
Chris: I’d rather just tell them myself. They’re coming – I think they’re going to try to make a visit in like May or so.
Grahm/Dave: Do they still think that Shanann killed the girls?
Chris: They still believe that even though I told them I pled guilty for a reason, but they think that I was, their words, like railroaded by [inaudible 02:26:49]. Because they feel like they pressured me to do it.
Tammy: Do you feel like that?
Chris: No. They asked me plenty of times. They wanted to fight. If I said, “Fight,” they would have just done —
Tammy: Put on their gloves.
Chris: Yeah, just went in there and did it, you know. I was like, “No, I can’t have you do that.”
Grahm/Dave: So, Chris, you care about others deeply, I can tell, you worry about others. And I’ve asked you a bunch of times today, but you’re not just telling us that you did it because you feel bad for Shanann’s memory? You did it? Okay.