Grahm/Dave: Anger from you or anger from her?
Chris: I think it was more anger from me and more like desperation from her. She wanted to fix it because she knew. She knew something wasn’t right. You know like, when that whole thing with my parents happened, so what my parents called Nut Gate.
Grahm/Dave: What happened.
Chris: The peanut.
Grahm/Dave: Oh yeah. With her family?
Tammy: Pistachio ice cream or whatever it was?
Grahm/Dave: Nut Gate.
Tammy: I haven’t heard that.
Chris: I guess that’s what people are calling it. That was like another out, like maybe I could have just stopped everything with Vikki and just concentrated on helping whatever happened there. Shannan had a story; my mom had a story. Whatever happened. I probably asked my 10-year-old nephew, he could probably tell me what actually happened.
Grahm/Dave: Well, they both have their feelings for good reasons, and they don’t see it the other person’s way.
Chris: Yeah and like maybe – I didn’t talk to my parents from then on until like August 6th. My dad took that whole week off —
Grahm/Dave: You didn’t talk to your parents from then on?
Chris: Yeah. Because Shanann was like, “Do not talk to them. Do not call them. Do not do anything.”
Grahm/Dave: Is that what she said?
Chris: Yeah. And CeCe’s birthday was the 17th but I think the actual birthday party was a couple of days after.
Grahm/Dave: In August?
Chris: In July. My dad was going to go, but then there was a post on Facebook about allergies and stuff like that Shanann had made and my dad was like, “I just can’t do it anymore.”
Grahm/Dave: He perceived that as her taking a shot type thing?
Chris: Yeah. She always said she never, you know, put those posts directed at anybody. But I don’t know. She had a message.
Tammy: If you read them, you know who she’s talking about.
Chris: She had a method to the madness, and you could see it. I wish I could have just took more time just to fix that because I wanted my parents to be involved. Since the whole wedding thing and then up until that, it was like, my mom and my sister were always like combatting with Shanann and Shanann combatting with them; my dad was always cool. He’s just like me, he’s just like go with the flow, like I just want everybody to get along type deal.
Tammy: I loved your dad.
Grahm/Dave: He’s the best. I’m sorry, keep going.
Chris: When we were at the beach in August, my dad took the whole week off just so he could see the kids and see me and like have a cookout at my sister’s house or something. But we just pretty much spent five days at the beach and Shanann had booked it so like – I don’t want to say like punishment for them not to see the kids, but I wanted them to see them. I wish I could have fixed all that. Even like, when I was at the beach, I told Shanann that what was going on was more like — because my dad’s my hero — I feel I’ve lost something in my life. I hadn’t talked to him for three weeks and they hadn’t seen the kids for three weeks, Facetime or anything and I wanted them to be able to have that relationship. She was pretty much gung-ho, like, “She tried to kill my daughter by giving her [inaudible 00:47:34].” I was like, “I don’t think she gave it to her.”
Grahm/Dave: Was that her stance? Is that your mom –?
Chris: Put something in front of CeCe.
Tammy: Like to kill her?
Chris: Like, just like —
Grahm/Dave: Didn’t pay attention.
Chris: She thinks that allergies at this age, people think, “Awe, you’ll be fine. You’ll be fine, you’ll just have a rash. You’ll be fine.” I’ve seen CeCe, the first time, well, I’ve seen a picture when she had a cashew the first time; it wasn’t good. And then she had kiwi the second time and the same thing happened. I know it’s real. It wasn’t like her throat closed up, but she broke out in this full-body rash; it looked really crazy looking and luckily, nothing with her throat happened.
Tammy: Did that make you angry at your mom for doing that?
Chris: Yeah, I mean, I’m just like, “Mom, you just gotta,” I told her, “You need to think. You need to pay attention just because another kid can have something, it doesn’t mean the other kid can have something.” Because we were at that birthday party at Jeremy’s on that Sunday, you know, they had this cake there, like Bella wanted it so bad, I’m like, “I can’t give it to you because CeCe can’t have it,” and she was like, “Okay.” And all the other kids were like, “They can’t have the cake?” I just took them out and gave them one of those frozen pops. She had to learn that just because one kid could have something and there’s another that can’t have it for a legitimate reason, she shouldn’t have done it. That’s the kind of talk I had with her. Shanann had called me, I think it was maybe like the middle of July or something when she told me all this had happened. That’s when I called my mom and talked to them for a while and they’re just like, they just couldn’t deal with her anymore, Shanann, just kind of like, they flipped out after you told Bella to go hide behind the curtain because I don’t think your mom is ever going to let you come over here again or something like that.
Grahm/Dave: So, it got heated.
Chris: It was bad.
Chris: It was like a last straw between them, I think.
Grahm/Dave: In the same room or over the phone?
Chris: No, they were at the house, at my mom’s house.
Grahm/Dave: And so, they were really heated up.
Chris: Yeah, because CeCe and Bella and my niece and nephew were there.
Tammy: How did Shanann find out about the ice cream thing?
Chris: Because Shanann was there and, I guess, they were all sitting on those couches, it’s kind of like a U, and my niece went into the kitchen and she knew where the ice cream was, because she had been there.
Tammy: So, it’s not like your mom gave it to her. She got her own ice cream?
Chris: Yeah, she went in the freezer and got it, went out and sat beside CeCe and started eating. But it’s just a matter of like, CeCe could go like [inaudible 00:50:13], like that. All I know what happened is she just got it on her hand, but I know on like the prick test, on the back, there was like a welt.
Grahm/Dave: So, were they staying there at your parent’s house during that time?
Chris: Yeah, so they would go from Sandy and Frank’s house for a few days or five days and then go to my mom and dad’s house for a couple of days, back and forth.
Grahm/Dave: So, it happened during that time?
Grahm/Dave: There were so many things that happened, weren’t there? They just were little tiny ingredients to this recipe. It’s nuts, Chris, it’s just so many things just didn’t go your way.
Chris: Everything was like a – it’s like somebody was throwing a pot and it was just —