Grahm/Dave: There are quite a few people who would tell us and who do tell us, you need to look into Nikki more, Nikki Kessinger, all the way from the extreme end of things being, Nikki is the one who ordered the hit.
Tammy: She was there hiding in the basement.
Grahm/Dave: You know, so, the extreme is, she’s the one who told Chris to do it, she’s the real problem. That’s the extreme side and then all the way to, well, there is this text where she was infatuated, she was in love, she was saying how good Chris was in the sack and maybe we should look at her more. What would you say to those people?
Chris: She had her moments where I had to talk her off a ledge kind of deal.
Grahm/Dave: What does that mean?
Chris: I guess after the fact, there were videos of her that she was recording herself because she’s bipolar or something – I never knew that – and she would get worked up about nothing. She came to my house once because I think it was like July 4th, I didn’t have to work that day, so I didn’t get up at 4:00 and go home and Shanann had called me like ten times in a row and I didn’t hear it because I was sleeping. And she was pissed.
Grahm/Dave: Who was pissed?
Chris: Shanann was pissed. And I called on the outside, “Where are you at?” I was like, “I don’t have to work today. You called me at 5:30.” “The kids wanted to talk to you at 7:30.” I’m like, “I was sleeping.” She was just like, “Screw you. I don’t know where you’re at.” I went back inside, and I told Nikki, “I gotta go.” And she was just like, “Okay. Are you coming back?” I’m like, “Probably not.”
Grahm/Dave: So, wait a minute, you kind of lost me there. Were you at Nikki’s place when Shanann called you?
Grahm/Dave: And so, you were sleeping in her bed?
Chris: Yeah, because I wasn’t going to work that day because I didn’t have to that day. It was the first holiday I ever had off. Shanann was pissed and it kind of pissed Nikki off too that I left but I think that’s when she – I called Nikki later and she was like, she kind of realized that she’d always be the second, she said, second bill. Because I said I probably wouldn’t come back that day because I don’t want to be anywhere else when Shanann calls and she was already pissed. It was stuff like that where she would go – she said she would go on like websites and look at will our relationship work with somebody, like will a mistress turn into a relationship?
Grahm/Dave: That’s what Nikki was looking up?
Grahm/Dave: She would tell you that?
Chris: She told me that. Yeah, she said that she would go on websites and look at stuff like that. I was like, why do you even look at stuff like that? She was like, “I just want to see what other people have experienced.”
Grahm/Dave: So, that confuses me though because I thought earlier you were saying she thought you were heading toward a divorce. So, why was she looking at herself as a mistress?
Chris: This was later on, like in August, the first week of August when I told her, I’d had had that talk with her about separation, that’s when she started to look at apartments and stuff, but like during our July relationship, that’s when she was looking up will it actually work. She told her friend, Brittany, about it, I guess, and Brittany told her not to do it, but she said she’d already made her decision.
Grahm/Dave: And are those people absolutely wrong about Nikki? She wasn’t asking you to get rid of your family?
Grahm/Dave: Are you sure?
Chris: I’m sure.
Grahm/Dave: And no part of any of this was because she put it in your head or asked you to?
Chris: She never, I mean – this whole relationship contributed to it but she never, it never, she didn’t want me to do it.
Tammy: Was it ever like, “I wish you didn’t have kids. I want to have kids of my own with you?”
Chris: She never knew if she wanted to have kids, but she said that, you know, at one point she said, “I’d like to give you a son.”
Tammy: Did she know that Shanann was pregnant with a boy?
Tammy: Did she know Shanann was pregnant?
Tammy: And why is that? You just didn’t tell her?
Chris: I didn’t tell her. Because we had met —
Tammy: But Shanann put that on Facebook. Like how did she not see that?
Chris: I don’t know. Maybe she did, and she was just waiting for me to tell her or she put it out of her head.