Tammy: Did you guys ever fight? Was there any domestic violence in your house?
Chris: No, it never —
Grahm/Dave: Even from her to you, I mean, she gets mad when she’s pregnant and grabs a knife or scratches you or smacks you around. Nothing?
Tammy: This is strange to us.
Chris: No, she never like – nothing. That’s what makes all this even more hard to understand from my standpoint and from yours too.
Grahm/Dave: Did she ever belittle you at all? Did you ever feel that way maybe?
Chris: What was that?
Grahm/Dave: Did she ever make you feel like she belittled you or you felt belittled by her?
Chris: I mean, there’s always points in a marriage where the dominant person takes control of everything. My whole life, I just kind of went with the flow. I never like put myself in the center of attention; I didn’t want to be. I just kind of, I just wanted to be in the back row. If she did belittle me, I couldn’t think – [inaudible 01:24:18].
Grahm/Dave: So, you never really felt that way.
Chris: No, I mean, I always knew I was like, you know, the introvert and she was the, you know, she took control of most situations like when people came over, like I knew what my role was.
Tammy: Like I watched the videos, like clean or she’d make like power balls or like protein balls. You just don’t seem like you want to be in those videos.
Tammy: I feel like you were being forced to be in those videos. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what it seemed like to me.
Chris: I hated being in videos. I hated, I mean, I did it for her because it was for the business and stuff, but like, it was, you know, I hated just being out for everybody to see. That’s why the whole, the gender reveal thing, I was just like, I didn’t want it to be like some live Facebook video. I’m just like, “No,” but I never wanted to be out there.
Grahm/Dave: So, Tammy and I and Dave talked about this a lot. Even when it was, I think it was Florida on some Lavell or Thrive thing and she’s like, “Here we are and it’s all expenses paid.” I’m looking at you and I’m thinking, like, “He is not into this video right now.”
Chris: Oh, I was, I didn’t really care about —
Tammy: No, you didn’t look into any of the videos to be honest with you.
Grahm/Dave: I wouldn’t be either, that’s not me.
Tammy: I mean, I remember you talking about like she would even post stuff for you because your trying to be a salesman too of Lavell, of Thrive.
Chris: Like she put me underneath her, not like any of my friends or stuff, like anything I do would help her. So, I would send her pictures – like, “Take a picture with your patch.” “Okay,” send it to her and then she’d make a post about it. Eventually, she was like, “Are you going to take more control over your business?” I was like, “I don’t know what to talk about.” Like if I went to talk to somebody at the mall or at the pool about this, I’d just stumble all over my words and they’d be like, “Okay, bye.” But, no. I’m not a salesman. She’s, I mean, she could sell everything you’re wearing back to you and you wouldn’t even know it. Those videos are not me. I did it just to support her, you know.
Tammy: Could you tell her “no,” could you say, “I don’t want to be in that video?” Or was that an option?
Chris: Probably not. I mean, it’s like, she would have been like, “This is to help our family. This is to help this and that.” I couldn’t have told her no. I mean, it would have made her mad if I would have been like, “No.” I wouldn’t even start that just because it’s for the business, it’s for the family. I was just going to try to help out however I can.